Posted by: colorblindcupid | January 17, 2008

Choices, Part III

[Note: If you missed, Choices Parts I and II, it’s worth going back and reading them just so you have the back story on how this post came about (though I don’t think you have to read them in order). Mark off an hour to read this baby (or skim!) because it's all emotion, and as Saresh frequently reminds me, "When I see a long e-mail from a woman, all I can think is 'emotion!'" True, but I am female and I feel better after getting long-winded. :) ]

My mom and I have always been close, and when my family moved away it took years to adapt to not being around them all the time, but in particular my mother. Whenever I got back from a visit, my chest literally hurt for days and eventually the tears would dry up. This kind of episode occurred in a reducing fashion for many years right about until I had my daughter (my theory being that I’m now too busy and harried and emotional with her to be emotional about my own mother!).

Actually, my real theory is that having MIL be a part of my life has helped quite a bit. When we got to that time (that I couldn’t pinpoint if I had to) where our relationship became comfortable, she unwittingly reduced some of my missing mom angst. She fusses over me like only moms can, plying me with foods I can’t eat, trying to get me to sit while she takes care of DD (as if I don’t sit enough for my work!), pestering physician relatives to send mass quantities of free drugs so I don’t have to pay for my prescriptions, buying me purses, bragging about me to friends and relatives, and chastising her son for any imagined slight she thinks he might have done in potentially not taking care of me. Despite not watching Sci-fi at the house, I do get that “at home” feeling that I have missed so much. Not my own home, but being in the home of a mom – that one person who made me feel safe and loved and cared for and stuffed full of food. Of course it’s never quite the same, but it helps and I do feel very cared for.

When I originally wrote Choices, Part I, I was only thinking about my own choices – would I have still chosen Saresh knowing what I know now? For all the times I had considered that question in my life, it never occurred to me wonder if Saresh’s parents asked themselves the same thing (or a version of the same thing). Knowing what they know now, if they could go back in time, would they still make the same decisions regarding my relationship with their son? And furthermore, if the choice were available to them, would they choose another spouse for him? The only reason these (disturbing) questions arose for me at all was because Saresh’s parents actually brought the subject up on their own, which really took me by surprise.

We don’t talk about “the before” with them: the time we were dating and engaged when they would not accept us, for a variety of reasons that would make a post of their own. So life has basically been rolling along quite sweetly for us for a while now, the past nicely buried where I like it. One evening right after Thanksgiving, Saresh and DD were over at the in-laws and the in-laws brought up his cousin’s marriage status (this preoccupation is almost a bona fide hobby for them). In this particular instance, they wanted to offer dating advice (of all things!). I know he regretted the reopening of the past later, but they just picked at that scab and out it came – he asked them to remember how “helpful” their dating advice to him was when he was dating me, and what a horrible time that was between all of us.

His suggestion to revisit their behavior in the past set them on the defensive, I guess. They both went on to defend their behavior while we were dating, telling him that they still feel what they did was the right thing. When he told me later, he was so angry. I was very taken aback instead of angry this time. I thought they loved me now and my first painful thought was, “Do they still not want me?”

A couple days later, I asked Saresh the big question I had been too scared to ask: “Knowing what they now know, if your parents were able to go back and actually choose the spouse they wanted for you, do you think they’d choose someone else?” He paused for such a long time I almost cried. I wanted him to say, “Of course not! They love you!” but his hesitation made me feel my gut was right and that they would get rid of me in the past. Perhaps ridiculous, since it’s impossible to do and therefore moot, but I had a masochistic need to know.

Finally, he said, “I don’t think so.” Not exactly a screaming affirmation, but better than “Yeah – they’d ditch you in a heartbeat.” He went on to explain many logical points about what they appreciated about me that they wouldn’t have gotten with whomever they would have chosen, and that basically, they’re not the review and reflect and how do we apply this to our future actions kind of people – that they wouldn’t indulge in that kind of fantasy because it wouldn’t occur to them to do so. They also know that even if he had chosen an Indian girl, it wouldn’t have been the girl they wanted anyway, further adding the “moot point” line of thought. Though his answer made sense, I still felt hurt and deflated for quite some time. I didn’t want to talk about it anymore, and we haven’t.

I think I have gone about my marriage with a naïve sense that I’ve somehow affected a change – a mental shift within my immediate Indian community, starting with my in-laws. I have indulged in my own fantasies involving other young members of the Indian community pointing to our marriage in defense of their own relationships, “Look at Saresh and CBC – she fits right in and her in-laws love her! They’ve been married for years, and you like her too! How can you say marriage to my boyfriend wouldn’t work?” Though these words are probably never uttered between all the boyfriend/girlfriend secret keeping and my own inflated ego where I believe I’m important to others outside my husband and daughter, I truly imagined that by my own successful marriage and participation in the Indian community, that they would all somehow make different choices regarding the relationships of their children – I was a role model. HAH! Ha HAH!

Prior to this horrible “we were ‘right’ back then” speech, I had also learned a story that saddened me. The Indian daughter of some close friends of the in-laws recently started graduate school out East. Apparently part of her decision to go to the area involved her white boyfriend who would be attending a school there as well. I’m not privy to all the details, but to my knowledge she had not kept him a secret from her parents. They (or maybe just her father) went to visit her or help set her up in her new place and she wanted him/them to meet the boyfriend, and they refused. They would not meet him. I don’t know what has occurred, if anything, since then. She’s a quiet girl and I have imagined her hurt and internalizing all this by herself and having to explain this offense to her boyfriend. Her parents don’t even know what they’ve done to her, I’m sure. I was especially disappointed to hear this story as I happen to like this couple very much. They are very gracious people and have been nicer than nice to me from day one (well, day one of my acceptance that is!). I stupidly thought them more “progressive” (basing my assumption on niceness alone is why I was stupid). Being ego-centric as only humans can do, I was shocked that they could be so… like my in-laws were! Had my presence all these years had so little impact at all?

After much thought about what Saresh said, I believe he’s right, but more so than he probably meant. I don’t think my in-laws reflect back and wonder how life would be had they made different choices, but more importantly I don’t think any of them think of me at all in that capacity. My “now” with them has no bearing on the past or what happened. I was a non-entity – and “it wasn’t personal” (trying not to roll eyes as I type that). I wasn’t even in their sphere of existence and whatever they did or said did not have any impact on me whatsoever, because it wasn’t about me (or so the bell keeps clanging at me).

I think my in-laws and these other Indian parents I thought I had affected somehow are still compartmentalizing their reasoning. Sure, I affect them now because I’m real and they love the real me – the daughter-in-law that exists and the honorary Indian community member that exists. The me of the past wasn’t real to them, so how could they wish her away? She was never there. Just like that white boyfriend in the East isn’t there. He’s not real and my current happy marriage has nothing to do with whether or not a marriage could succeed for their daughter – to whom?

We, the unwanted boyfriends and girlfriends, are not real people. We are something to be warded off, like having a good pest control service. If you spray enough pesticide around your house, the potential pests won’t get in – you don’t have to personally step on the bugs. The bugs won’t even want to get near your house – they will just crawl away and you go your happy way and the bugs go theirs. Nobody gets hurt. No choice has to be made.

Perhaps the bug analogy is a bit harsh, and I know if pushed my in-laws would admit they technically knew I existed as a real person prior to their acceptance. I hardly think my in-laws would ever compare dating non-Indians to pest control; however, I am unable to compartmentalize my experiences and emotions as they are, so it feels a bit like pest control to me – me being the pest in question. Had I been able to engage in handy emotional compartmentalization, the (non)questioning of their past choices wouldn’t have hurt so badly, I suppose. Also, I think I would not be so terribly disappointed at the choices the Indian parents are making now, especially the ones I mistakenly felt I had some tiny impact on. I’m currently working on getting back to my preferred lifestyle in which I don’t worry about my in-laws playing Choose Your Own Adventure with their own lives.


Responses

  1. I know that feeling.

  2. I almost started to cry reading this. I am sorry–it seems like (though unintentionally) they keep hurting you. I, like you, can’t detach myself from my past–those choices are part of what makes you, you. I would have also thought that people would look to you, for lack of a better phrase, as a role model for how interreligious/interracial marriages do work; I know most of us on here do (OK, at least I do–I won’t speak for everyone else). If nothing else, you give me courage to try to date someone that I was unsure about dating and would have been too scared to try otherwise. Thanks.

  3. That is really scary the way they can pretend the offending person simply doesn’t exist. I’ve never met anyone who could think and act that way. I wonder if this is uniquely Indian – “you don’t exist until I decide you do”. ha.

    I’m so sorry for the pain this has caused you. You really are amazing! ((hugs))

  4. Hey KC – hugs. I know you’re there. :)

    You’d think the “it’s not personal/she’s not real” defense would be in a psych manual at this point. Out of everything, it’s probably been the hardest thing for me to deal with. You can deal with people who engage you, even if it’s fighting. How do you work with people who will have nothing to do with you, pretending that their actions and words don’t touch you – don’t affect you? I have never even remotely gotten a grasp on it – the farthest I’ve come is from my initial fury believing that they did know I existed and that didn’t want ME personally but weren’t giving me a chance (something I hear on here often), progressing over many years to my view now which is that to them it wasn’t personal because of this perverse mentality they have. I know there wasn’t anything I could do at that time to make them give me a chance because there was no “me” for them to consider. It doesn’t help me wrap my mind around it all any better though.

    Thanks guys. Well now I’m just weepy. Weepy weepy. On a high note, I have to go the the gynecologist in the morning (oh whoopie).

  5. I’m so sorry, but you have to keep trying to change them so DD can marry who she wants without having to be threatened. You’ve got 20+ years to keep slowly, subtly changing them. Good luck, girl!

  6. Oh come on now, chin up kiddo! Eh, you did say MIL & FIL show you love in their own way right? Maybe that’s the best the can give? I’m sorry it’s not more. But perhaps in its own way maybe it’s somethin’ you can work with or even some day find to be enough? I don’t know…I have no clue how it feels for you…just offering some ideas to maybe make you feel more empowered in all of this…

    It’s tough to understand this stuff…I think Saresh is on to something when he says it’s not so much a review and reflect way of life. It’s more like an outdated Nike ad: just do it. If I had a dime for every time I heard an Indian say “It is what it is.” Sometimes it’s all fatalism and dharma. Who knows why…

    Go do something nice for yourself after the seeing the downtown doc tomorrow :) .

  7. CBC, you gotta do the Meyers-Briggs too! I bet you are an ISFJ. :) Btw, over the past few years I’ve become a T rather than an F. I initially gave you guys my old typology!!

  8. Aww CBC, don’t feel bad. You have been an inspiration to me and just what I needed while my guy has been away. Reading this blog has helped me to struggle through difficult thinking about my whole situation..and given me hope. Unfortunately, I am emotionally detached person. I can easily attach to animals..but I don’t to people. I just keep up this defensive brick wall…so in a way, I understand what they mean. The purpose was not to hurt you, but to prevent from hurting themselves. It’s like being sick and put into isolation. If you have that protective barrier, then nothing gets in and that mean nothing can hurt you. But you open the door..all sorts of things can go in AND out…weakening your defenses. I am not excusing their behavior, but I do actually understand it. I have hurt others myself by a similar behavior. In theory, if you ignore the problem..it doesn’t exist, or it will just go away on it its own. BUT once you’ve opened that door, you can’t be pushed back out. Trust me. I promise that you have wormed your way into their life and they WOULD miss you dredfully if you were no longer there. No one could actually compare to you and would no longer be good enough for Saresh. I really promise this is how it works.

    On another note, I decided to take the Myers-Briggs test. I am an INTJ… a rational mastermind type personality LOL.

    Chin up CBC because you ARE loved…just don’t forget that!

  9. CBC I am sorry for your pain. I can not even think why people are actually the way they are but I always think it is a bit of nature and nurture from their past and hope that in the future it will be different. Who knows but I wish the best for you.

    Now onto the Meyers-Briggs test. I am now an INFJ.
    When my husband and I were getting married I was an ISFJ and he was an ENTJ.
    I wonder what he is now.

  10. You know,I can definitely relate. Raj’s parents act like I don’t even exist. I ask Raj sometimes if his parents talk to and ask him about me and he says that for the most part no… they don’t ask, they don’t talk about me. Heck they’re still looking at the matrimonial site that he is on. They look at it every day. That hurts, ya know? I mean, I can’t believe that someone wouldn’t want me.. I’m a wonderful person, great mom.. so I just can’t understand how someone could be so hurtful by ignoring someone and pretending they’re not there. So, I understand and can relate. I took that test a while ago. I forget what I am..lol.. Have to take it again.

  11. hey how come I never change? LOL I took that test when I was a teenager and again today (just for kicks)
    still an ISTP. hmm. Still avoid socializing, still love to read, and still fiercely independent. sigh.

  12. Hah! Don’t you live in the south or something?? Oh but you’re from Ohio. I was just thinking how Texans have so much pride in who they are and stuff that it’s unlikely to change…? I don’t know!!

    I’m actually really surprised you’re a P!!! You seem more like once you’ve made a decision that’s what it’s going to be :) .

    See you might just be heavily weighted to one side of the spectrum. I think I just SOOOOOO used my Feeling function before. After I realized it was getting me no where in life and only lost in a sea of emotion, I started relying on my head more. Heh. My sister’s like, “Thank god you’re a more of a T these days, I can actually TALK to you!”

  13. But, I have always been insanely iNtuitive.

  14. P: late to appointments, hate deadlines, cannot use my time effectively, and prefer not to have schedules imposed on me. :) I am always sidetracked by whatever subject I’m thinking about at the moment…can’t put things aside to get other tasks done, etc. I’m like a screwball professor – except no PhD and too many kids to be that eccentric.

    As far as decisions – I prefer to make mine based on reason, so that *usually* means they are set in stone…and I guess I do fit in in TX, it’s just that I’d have to socialize more to know that….heh heh

  15. Yup, you’re a P. A bunch of engineers are T P’s…always imagining new technical vistas :)

  16. I hate being late.. I don’t like deadlines.. It said I was an ENFJ… I think that’s what I was before though..lol..

  17. I have NO idea what I am; haven’t ever taken B-M test (wow, THAT doesn’t look good as an abbreviation!) LOL. But CA, isn’t how you described yourself kind of like ADD? At least it sounds like my cousin–she’s ADHD though–YIKES!

  18. CA–get some cats, you can be eccentric with cats no matter how many kids you have. You should have more than 2 cats though. I’m unmarried and have 4 cats; my ambition is crazy cat lady–what do y’all think? Am I getting there?
    Raj mentioned to me the other day that he’s never had pets and doesn’t really like them. I told him that they were like my kids and he said “OK, I try to like them. Give them my hi from me.” ROFLOL it’s very sweet, but always makes me LOL when thinking of it.

  19. Tere – if you like the eccentric cat angle, you should read the Bringing Up Mary blog (in the blogroll). She has a page that lists all her mom’s cats and their names and what happened to them. I almost peed my pants I laughed so hard.

  20. Ohh, I have to go read that now! bye for tonight!

  21. OOH, I’ll have to read that blog on the cats too! CS LOVES my kitty. He said he never had pets and had always wanted one. :o )

  22. I was raised with TONS of cats and dogs and a squirrel once too. Now that I have kids I have a hard enough time doing the chores without having to worry about cleaning the litter box or walking a dog or their fur. Not to mention my family has allergies to pets. They are adorable but I think CA will agree with me on having a crazy enough house without adding an animal to the circus! lol

  23. Whitey, you just become my favorite person on the board for having been raised with a squirrel.

    BTW, I DID steal your name a while ago!! I’m shameless. :)

  24. you *have* just become. why do i always skip words when i write on here? Because I’m so giddy. That’s it.

  25. Inbetween, I’d rock your world with my past. I bet you’d never believe what a nature girl I was. I kept a menagerie of pets – turtles, frogs, fish I caught (one I called stumpy because he only had one fin, but he was a bruiser and killed my other fish by flipping them out of the tank), mice, rabbits, dogs, cats, crawdads, a worm farm (for my own worms for fishing). I fished all the time and we frequently went camping the “old fashioned” way – outside, catch and cook your own food. We lived right behind my grandma and grandpa and he was old school German and would catch a snake and clean and cook it right there, and he was forever catching rabbits in the yard and making hassenfeffer (sp?) – ick. We had our own garden and never bought veggies at the store – we also had our own fruit orchard and mom canned jellies and jams, and I had my own bug collection including spiders. We always had sauerkraut day once a year when all the relatives would come over and we’d harvest the cabbage and set up all these tables outside and everyone would work together to make jars and jars of sauerkraut, then we’d divide it all up.

    Bet you’d never know tell from the “I must have a clean toilet with paper to pee in” me now, huh? :)

  26. GET outta here!!!!!!!!!!!

  27. And OMG you TOO had a bug collection?! That’s so awesome. Those big, mammal like moths always kind if disturbed me though. . .

    See you totally hack India…

  28. you *could* totally (sigh)

  29. CBC, you are more Indo than you think :) . HAHAHA! DON’T SHOOT!!!!!!! Hhehehe, just playin’.

  30. I even ran around in the yard BAREFOOT.

    I did a 4th grade paper on bugs (kind of like your broad India class – just “bugs”). I was okay with the moths (not anymore – those fat bodies freak me out), but june bugs I was never okay with. They fly in your hair and they’re all crunchy like a roach – they give me the willies.

    My favorites were the cicadas. In the fall, I’d collect all the shells off the trees and make a collection. One time in college I had this boyfriend from California and he hated bugs – he’d never seen cicadas and their shells scared him (do they not have cicadas in CA?). I tried explaining all they do is make noise – they’re “nice” bugs, but it didn’t help. Once for his birthday I took a shell and put it as decoration on the cake I’d gotten him. It was boxed, so when he opened the lid there was the shell and he totally flipped out. He was not pleased with me. That was kind of mean of me, but I couldn’t help myself. I don’t think he liked the midwest (I didn’t help much) – he moved back to CA after only 1.5 semesters – didn’t even finish his first year.

  31. OMG CICADAS FREAK THE CRAP OUT OF ME!!!! They are about the most disgusting critters on the PLANET I think. Ewwwww…we had that cicada storm out in the Chi-burbs this year. Thank god they stayed out of the city. GROSS GROSS!!!

    OMG I just got queasy imagining a frikin’ cicada on a cake. You are one piece of work CBC. ;)

  32. A few years ago, we had this year where all the 7 year cicadas and the 3 year cicadas both “hatch” (or whatever they do) at the same time. I don’t remember the odds, but mathematically it’s something like every 180 or 200 and something years this happens. It was like cicadas were hailing out of the sky. The shoulders of the highway were littered with dead ones, my car was perpetually covered in cicada guts. I had to go to this wedding and the poor bride could hardly get pictures outside because they kept flying in her dress and stuff. All that summer we had to run from our cars into buildings because they’d get in our hair. It was freaky – like a plague, but they didn’t really harm anything (I think they eat other bugs?). You would not have done well in that, I guess. he he

  33. I LOVE cicadas hehe..except we always called them locusts…which I know are really grasshoppers. Yeah, I know which year you’re referring to CBC. There were sooo many of them coming out of the ground that mom finally had to put out a pesticide because they were just covering the side of our house. When I was younger, we used to tie strings around them and they would fly around buzzing on the string hehe :o ). June bugs ARE gross. You go swimming at night here and you’re bound to get a least one down your swimsuit..EWWWWWWWWW. I have a fear of the flying, stinging insects though..*yipers* Ever so often we get a plague of crickets though. One year, there were sooo many crickets that when people parked at the Sonic..their tires just spun and the fire dept finally had to come and wash down the drive so cars could get traction. We wore ponchos in the marching band that year because of the Kamikazee crickets…they’d just dive bomb and smash all over you.. it was so gross! But my favorite insect is the dragonfly with ladybugs right behind that.

  34. Ick. I can eat a live shrimp but cringe when looking at a locust.

    It’s raining locust’s…hallelujah!! It’s raining locust’s, hallelujah!

  35. Mom says her grandfather used to make squirrel stew and rabbit stew all the time when they were kids… I think she also said they made turtle soup too.. I think I’ll pass on all of those hehe, unless I have to.

  36. FYI Locust and Cicadas are two different bugs.
    I ALWAYS thought they were the same bug being called something else too until I got with my husband and he informed me I was wrong. I did not believe him so I had to look it up for myself (like always) only to feel horrible because once again I was wrong lol.

  37. After re-reading I think you already knew that too LMAO. I am a tard.

  38. OMG I lived in Nashville when the cicadas hatched–we don’t have them in Atlanta, at least I’ve never seen them–and I about DIED. They don’t just land on you, they have these clingy legs and got stuck on my shirt, etc so that I had to PICK THEM OFF! AHHHHH! Those things were as large as helicopters! I mistook several of them for Life Flight coming into Vandy Med!

    I hate bugs! It’s hard to go to my parents vacation home in FL after it’s been closed for a couple of months or so–dead roaches EVERYWHERE! I went almost 3 days with only sponge bathing once because there were 15 in the tub and there was NO WAY IN HELL that I was cleaning those bad boys out. Dad finally came to my rescue.
    I will say if you’d but that shell on my cake, I probably would be the world’s skinniest person now–it would have cured my sweet tooth for life. LOL!

  39. ha ha ha yea roaches and florida go hand and hand. I am originally from there. I hate Palmetto bugs those suckers gross me out!

  40. I love picking up some slang from the southerners on here. I’m going to start saying “those suckers” and “I reckon” more often now…

  41. Haha.. I’m originally from Florida and still live here.. but I don’t say “those suckers” or “I reckon”.. But my dad says “I reckon” haha.. He also say’s “That thar” and a few other choice sayings.. lol.. seriously… I hate roaches.. I scream and squeal like I’m being chased by something that could hurt me.. hehe.. And I have never like bugs.. at all.. I tried to pretend as though I were big and bad.. but always end up screaming my head off.. It’s okay, Raj is scared of lizards.. and he does scream like a girl.. hehe..

  42. haha all my family still lives in FL I live in VA. I have lived in UT, OH, MD (and of course FL) when I talk to my mom she says you do not sound southern anymore the way you articulate your words you sound northern lol. I still say a lot of southern things but not nearly like my cousin who constantly quotes Larry the Cable Guy..lol. Oh I do not say I reckon that… I am aware of! I will never not say y’all though!

  43. yeah, y’all is a staple–I grew up in Atlanta and have been here most of my life–except college (TN) and grad school (MD)–I don’t really sound Southern, but I do have the Southern lexicon. My dad on the other hand is a native–born at Emory hospital–and things are “purty” and something may be located “over yonder”, and sometimes he will “barrie” something from a neighbor. We once had a NY friend ask him which way yonder was. LOL. When/if you pick up “Southern-ese”, Please DON’T EVER say “fixing to”–that’s just like nails on a chalkboard! You can carry someone to the store; holler at your friends if you need something or tell someone’s child that the last time you saw them they were knee-high to a grasshopper, but please, don’t say you’re fixing to do something! ;)

  44. We also had a London cabbie ask him where in the deep South he was from when we were on our way back to Heathrow after our visit. LOL!

  45. Yeah, down here in south fla, the southern accent kind of gets lost for the most part. My dad lives in Alabama and he says all that stuff.. hehe.. I don’t really sound all that southern, not like I did when I was in Alabama for a couple of years..


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